别搞印象流!数据说明谁才是外线防守第一人!
zhezhongyun 2025-09-13 13:04 39 浏览
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译者:@assholeeric编辑:伯伦
Who are the best perimeter defenders in the NBA? Here's a graph of Steals / 100 Possessions vs. Difference in Opponent's FG% on Perimeter Shots
谁是NBA最强中远距离防守球员?球员中远距离防守每百回合抢断数+对位球员命中率差别!
横轴:每百回合抢断数
纵轴:对位球员中远投命中率差别(越往下对位球员命中率越低)
右下代表抢断多+防守强,说明会尝试抢断但不会失位
左下代表抢断少+防守强,说明基本不会尝试赌博式抢断
——Notes:
All data is from NBA.com.
NBA.com's definition for "Difference in Opoonent's FG%" is:
The difference between the normal field goal percentage of a shooter throughout the season and the field goal percentage when the defensive player is guarding the shooter. A good defensive number will be negative.
Observations:
I know steals aren't exactly indicative of perimeter defense, but I at least expected there to be a slight correlation.
I didn't expect Chalmers, Curry, Booker, or Mayo to be that good.
I expected Butler, Kawhi, Ariza, and CP3 to be better.
I'm relieved to see Harden not anywhere near the worst lol.
注:
所有数据都来自NBA.com
对这个“对位球员命中率差”的定义是:该球员赛季命中率和对位图中球员时命中率的差。负数表示防守好。
我知道抢断和中远距离防守并不能挂钩,但我觉得多少有点关系。
另外,我是真没想到查默斯,库里,伯克和梅奥的防守有这么好!
我以为巴特勒、伦纳德、阿里扎和保罗会比结果显示的更好一些
看到哈登的防守并没有想象中那么差,寡人很欣慰啊!
——Kawhi has always been about limiting attempts rather than preventing the ones that get attempted.
If someone did a average shot per game vs normal I think Kawhi would run away with it.
相对于限制对位球员出手的命中率,伦纳德现在更多是让你很难出手被迫传球。
如果你做一个对位球员场均出手的差距,我觉得伦纳德很可能是顶端的人物
——kinda. last year his 3.7 steal % would put him in an outlier position with Tony Allen.
I think this year he's just more focused on stopping his guy and playing solid help defense rather than being a ballhawk.
he's also has a 2.1% block rate which is pretty high for a SF. I just checked PG and he's at like 0.5%
确实是有这么点意思。去年伦纳德的抢断率是3.7%,这使得他和托尼-阿伦防守的画风完全不一样。
这赛季他更多的专注在限制对位球员出手和协防上面,而不是像上赛季一样的抢球痴汉
他的封盖率高达2.1%,这在小前锋中是很高的存在了。我看了下保罗乔治的封盖率,只有0.5左右。
—— I'll never argue Tony allen's defense prowess. That guy got into Durants, Kobes & Lebron's head. There isn't a defender out there that I think could've done that.
我绝对不会去怀疑托尼-阿伦的防守能力。这个家伙给杜兰特、科比和詹姆斯都留下了一些阴影的。我不觉得还有那个防守者能做到他这个地步!
——1ST TEAM ALL DEFENSE
防守一阵!
——Though nothing sums up Kawhi Leonard's defense quite like that gif of prime LeBron cursing when he realizes Kawhi is checking back in.
巅峰詹皇看到伦纳德被换上场后忍不住爆粗的那一幕基本上能诠释伦纳德的防守威慑力
——That's when you know the defense of a prospect is legit, when NBA stars are frustrated at the site of them.
当NBA巨星都对你的防守感到挫败和沮丧时,你就知道这防守已经是联盟顶级的了。
——Can you even imagine how good Rubio or Tony Allen would be with just average NBA shooting.
你能想象如果卢比奥和托尼-阿伦有,哪怕只有NBA平均水准的投射能力该有多强。
——That was Rubio's "next level" phase which he never took, or is still taking.
这就是常说的“下一阶段的卢比奥”,然而他从来都没有进化过,当然可能是他还在进化的过程中
——still only 25, he's got some time lol
他才25岁,还有时间
——Only been a pro for a decade
他也就在职业篮球圈混了区区10年。
——Wonder how much better he would/would've been if he was at least a solid scorer.
哪怕他只是个合格的得分手,他能到什么样程度?
——It can be argued that they would put less effort into defense if they could knock down shots.
也不一定啊,也许他俩进攻好了在防守端投入的精力就会变少啊
——In Tony allen's defense he has trouble making layups.
我为托尼-阿伦说句话,他连上篮都挺费劲的
——same with rubio
卢比奥默默点赞
——Wow, I expected Curry to be low, but not that low. He might be an underrated defender for all the strides he's made in improving his defense.
我原以为库里会更辣鸡一些啊……他可能是联盟中被低估的防守球员了,他为了提升防守做了很多努力,提升明显啊。
——It's harder to score against superior GS defense system anyway, not just because Steph is guarding you.
当然面对勇士超人一等的防守体系得分的难度确实更高一些,这不仅仅是库里防守的好。
—— Curry guards the opposing point guards but players like Kawhi, allen etc specialize in taking the other team's best player. And any defensive stat is obviously indicative at best. tony allen is a monster with the steals
库里会对位防对手控卫,但像伦纳德、托尼-阿伦这样的球员会防对面最强的得分手。所有的防守数据都说明一件事情,托尼-阿伦真是抢断防守大师!
——But you could argue that guarding PGs is toughest in today's league. Still, Curry's rep as bad defender should finally be shatter on mainstream media channels.
但也不是完全没得辩,防控卫可能是现在联盟中最难的事情了。当然,关于库里是个糟糕的防守球员的言论应该在各大主流媒体上都彻底粉碎掉。
——You're right.
Even if he isn't guarding opposing PGs and is being "hidden" (lol) on some bigger player, he's still doing an incredible job of it. Think about it, a 6-3 guy is guarding a 6-5 or 6-6 SG and manages to create a 5%+ drop in perimeter FG% while creating a fair amount of turnovers; hidden or not hidden, who wouldn't take that?
你说的对
即使库里没有防守对面的控卫,或者说是被“一些大个子球员完美掩护着”,他在防守端依然干的很出色。想想吧,一个6尺3的球员防守6尺5或者6尺6的得分后卫,然后还能让对手的命中率下降5%。同时还能让对手产生茫茫多的失误,不管有没有队友帮他擦屁股,谁还能怀疑他的防守能力呐?
——The flaw here is that it is actually change in FG%. Not total FG%. So if the best player shoots not as good as he normally does.. Then we'd see a difference.
这个数据的瑕疵是只展示了命中率的差距,而不是整体的命中率。如果这场对位的球员就是手感差,那么结果上我们会看到这个命中率差很惊人。
——It's not a game.
但这个数据不是一场论啊……
——Wow, glad Chalmers was doing great in Mem.
很高兴看到查默斯在灰熊干的不错啊!
——him going down really hurt us...查莫斯报销对我熊伤害实在太大了……
——Damn Tony Allen truly is an outlier. Always knew he was an elite defender. When Kobe says you're the toughest player that defended him you know you good.
托尼-阿伦真是单独一档啊。都知道他是个精英级的防守者。当科比亲口说你是最难对付的防守球员时,这个防守悍将的称号算是坐稳了。
——
didn't know Marcus was that bad in opponents FG%
没想到马库斯-斯玛特在限制对手命中率上这么差啊
—— Jimmy "best two way guard in the NBA" Butler is a worse defender than Harden...CONFIRMED /s
吉米“攻防两端第一分卫”巴特勒的防守效果比哈登还不如啊……
——Huh. I thought Winslow would be on this chart
我以为会有温斯洛的
——Winslow averages 1.6 steals / 100 possessions, and his Opponent's FG% Differential is +0.5% (positive means worse).
温斯洛每百回合抢断1.6次,在对手命中率上时+0.5%(换句话说挺辣鸡的)
——While I expected Chris Paul to be better, his height makes it tougher for him to contest the shots of some of the taller perimeter shooters in the league.
我以为保罗会更屌一些啊。他的身高真是太伤了,很难去影响那些比他高的中远距离射手……
—— Didn't know OJ Mayo was a great defender
没想到OJ-梅奥也是个出色的防守球员啊。
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